Punisher is not a midnight son! He never has been!
Silvery_Power_62412025-11-16 15:55
I haven't read any Midnight Sons comics. I just added him because I saw this image https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fwho-is-your-ideal-team-members-for-the-midnight-sons-in-the-v0-omevuv5b0q8e1.jpeg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D63f70fb5c56d8e16693cd799006ec914418fa9be
rubycalaberXX2025-11-16 16:25
That cover was just a teaser image for a comic that was never actually released. Fans always reference it for a Midnight Sons movie for some reason.
HaHaYouThoughtWrong2025-11-16 17:36
who are the two guys between Strange and Moon Knight?
DeltaV-Mzero2025-11-16 16:09
Yeah but he would kinda fit
aguadiablo2025-11-16 16:16
No it wouldn't
implodingnerd2025-11-16 17:11
How? The rest all deal with the supernatural somehow. Frank doesn't
TwstdPrtzl2025-11-16 16:11
It feels like a lot of fans who want the Midnight Sons actually just want Marvel Knights.
rubyschnees2025-11-16 15:52
sausage fest
TheLiquor19462025-11-16 15:56
Right ? Where the ladies at?
The_Iceman22882025-11-16 15:57
Elsa Bloodstone
TwstdPrtzl2025-11-16 16:06
Yeah Punisher over Elsa Bloodstone, Nico Minoru, or Jennifer Kale is crazy.
No_Imagination_24902025-11-16 18:07
Putting Punisher in a Midnight Sons line-up is a guaranteed way of getting hundreds of upvotes in this sub for some reason. He's not even remotely connected to this world.
DeltaV-Mzero2025-11-16 16:11
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Emergency-Raspberry92025-11-16 16:14
And X-men has basically never been a team of just men, in fact there has been points where all active members were women.
Meizas2025-11-16 16:37
It's the "thot" part we're downvoting - that's not part of the gendered noun
tom-of-the-nora2025-11-16 16:27
Most of the members are just men.
Like, morbius, dr strange, blade, ghost rider, and moon knight are the main members.
Major-Delivery99042025-11-16 15:56
I’ll add werewolf by night and wanda or agatha
Major-Delivery99042025-11-16 15:58
Yoo forgot Elsa bloodstone she’s great too
dcgraca2025-11-16 16:01
Why “Wanda or Agatha”. The two of them plus Billy.
Major-Delivery99042025-11-16 16:03
Nah… he should be in the young avengers/champions whatever that will be
Endosym932025-11-16 15:58
I’d swap out punisher and add some characters like: Elsa Bloodstone, Magik, Nico Minoru, Clea, Morgan le Fay or Sylvie (Loki)
Due-Explanation95852025-11-16 16:43
Magik
charleealex2025-11-16 16:00
Remove Punisher, add Elsa Bloodstone, Werewolf by Night, Man-Thing and maybe Agatha
JyconX2025-11-16 16:14
But Agatha is now a ghost.
boy_on_krypton2025-11-16 16:19
On a team with a sorcerer, a werewolf, and a spirit of vengeance, a ghost is a perfect inclusion.
Proud-Ad-1462025-11-16 16:21
No, no, he's got a point hahaha
lostintime20042025-11-16 19:17
As the kids would say: let this person coom
charleealex2025-11-16 16:20
So she’s be a perfect fit for a supernatural team
JyconX2025-11-16 16:29
But what can she do as a mere ghost?
joshwagstaff132025-11-16 16:34
Same thing she does in the *Midnight Suns* game I'd imagine - just sort of lurks.
JyconX2025-11-16 16:46
Oh, didn't know she appeared in that game.
A_Serious_House2025-11-16 17:40
I don’t know if it means anything but she picked up her brooch at the end of her show, so she can still interact with the real world to some extent.
MethamMcPhistopheles2025-11-16 20:53
Let's go ask Ava Starr who's not really a ghost but her codename is Ghost.
MediumQuick2262025-11-16 17:51
for sure, those characters would add a cool twist to the lineup
MoistTubes2025-11-16 17:52
So?
Ok_Flan74052025-11-16 17:08
But everyone knows that a ghost's greatest weakness is bullets
StarlightZigzagoon2025-11-16 17:45
Bullets can't go through ghosts, dummy. It's not fire...
Golddestro2025-11-16 17:52
Man-Thing would be awesome
Dangerous_Square_9532025-11-16 18:21
It's based on UCM, so they will recycle a lot of stuff
btm_72025-11-16 18:24
Maybe throw in black knight as well
mysightisurs932025-11-17 14:03
Would love to see Kit again. Sad that his character are just teased at the end of Eternals.
ich-bin-on-that-shit2025-11-16 18:29
Why not keep them all?
Gear_2025-11-16 20:01
Jennifer Kale instead of Agatha now that she’s out in the world
Wild_Emphasis17932025-11-16 20:12
for sure, those characters can really bring a new vibe, especially werewolf by night
APater60762025-11-17 01:01
I have this idea of Ms. Marvel being in there and everyone of them gets totally wound up by her being so happy and smiley and just glad to be there, but eventually they'd do anything to protect her.
guidethyhandd2025-11-16 16:01
put magik in there
tyrace_aimer2025-11-16 16:02
If we’re REALISTICALLY looking at who they’ve been building up to, the roster should really look like a combination of these:
- Doctor Strange
- Blade
- Black Knight
- Moon Knight
- Werewolf By Night
- Man Thing
- Elsa Bloodstone
- Jennifer Kale
- Agatha Harkness
- Ghost Rider (Not seen yet, but if mephisto is the big bad only makes sense)
Dumeck2025-11-16 17:03
Ghost Rider is put in a weird spot, most recent adaptations and teams out Miguel as the ghost Rider, they already used a Miguel for agents or Shield, so they'd need to bring back an AOE shield only character or regress to Blaze again. I feel like they will do Cage Blaze for secret wars
Ghosttiger132025-11-16 17:53
You reminded me of my disappointment of not seeing a David Hasselhoff Nick Fury in Deadpool/Wolverine but also gave me hope for Secret Wars.
tyrace_aimer2025-11-16 18:26
I could absolutely see them backtracking and canonizing AoS after the SW soft reboot and just saying that any of the characters from that story they didn’t want to keep around disappeared in the midst of the reboot. Setting up the new Ghost rider as a multiversal variant wouldn’t be a bad idea, even if just a cameo
oorza2025-11-16 18:27
They’ll probably just re-cast and re-adapt Robbie Reyes when they when a Ghost Rider. I doubt MCU brass considers AoS at all when they plan their movie phases. They didn’t even do lip service to The Darkhold being a re-used MacGuffin, I very much doubt they have their magic plans tied up in the show.
Dumeck2025-11-16 19:57
Honestly that would be my preference, a late teen Reyes could set up the backstory with him and his brother pretty well
_jackychain2025-11-16 16:04
Is punisher a part of this team in the comics?
atomcrafter2025-11-16 17:28
I know he's part of art that Greg Smallwood put together. I don't think that made it to an actual story.
Smallwood's workup and Rod Reis' Damnation are beautiful renderings of that team that do both tinker with the lineup.
No_Imagination_24902025-11-16 18:09
No, but the majority of people in this sub seem to think he is based on one image they've seen
rtslac2025-11-16 16:08
Not a woman in sight. Why is the Punisher even there, he doesn't remotely fit on the team.
GoldenKuriza2025-11-16 16:11
Stop putting punisher in midnight sons stuff
AxelXyfer2025-11-16 17:42
Hard agree... As fun as it is to theorize any and all heroes/villains in the midnight suns, I think the punisher is one of the worst suited personally.
Like think about it, team of supernatural and magic users, oh and that guy who likes guns and combat knifes. 🤷♀️
MoistTubes2025-11-16 18:27
He died once and got resurrected with like angelic powered guns or something and he was a Frankenstein's monster once. It's not completely out of his wheelhouse to be connected to something supernatural.
Xekshek332025-11-16 16:11
I am putting Elsa Bloodstone and WWBN on this over Strange and Punisher.
Dominant_Gene2025-11-16 16:12
punisher is so out of his depth there lol. moon knight, ghost rider and dr strange... why would they need a guy with a gun?
KcirderfSdrawkcab2025-11-16 17:38
I don't know anything about this team, but when you've got Strange and Ghost Rider, you barely need anybody else at all, let alone the Punisher. Especially in what seems to be a magic themed team.
oorza2025-11-16 18:30
If we’re being honest, if comics power scaled rationally and people didn’t job for plot reasons, Dr. Strange is likely all you need, period. His comics feats are absolutely bonkers and every time he _should_ be able to solo an entire event boss, he jobs because the writers have to create drama.
rasputin12025-11-16 17:40
why do the avengers need a guy with an arrow
Dominant_Gene2025-11-16 19:20
he brings precision, he is far more precise than any other in the team, most of the times he wouldnt be needed but hawkeye definitely has "super human" aim.
black widow... well...
Burger_Soup2025-11-16 16:14
Add in Elsa Bloodstone, Man-Thing and Magik!
milkboxshow2025-11-16 16:15
Why punisher?
ThomasVivaldi2025-11-16 16:57
Maybe want to go with the Franken-Castle storyline?
sable-king2025-11-16 18:54
Because people in this subreddit are obsessed with the idea of him being on the Sons even though he's never once been on the team and has nothing remotely to do with the supernatural.
milkboxshow2025-11-16 19:18
Elsa bloodstone, werewolf, swamp thing, scarab, magik, and even scarlet witch make more sense then this sausage fest OP recommended
LukeH2132025-11-16 16:16
Punisher over Elsa Bloodstone, Jennifer Kale, Werewolf By Night, and Man-Thing is crazy. Punisher has never been with or worked with The Midnight Sons.
Vast-Platform36472025-11-16 23:32
Jennifer Kale is so obviously set up to be coming back and i can't wait.
Nathanielsan2025-11-16 16:23
I want Moon Knight, Magik and Cloak & Dagger back. I don't think the last 2 are/were part of them but fuck it, bring back Tandy and Ty!
R4cco0n2025-11-16 16:29
I'm adding Wanda, Carol, and Ororo. There are somehow too many guys for me.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-16 16:34
Where's Jack, Elsa and ted
Meizas2025-11-16 16:36
So literally the same as every single time someone posts this every single day just minus Elsa Bloodstone
omegaphallic2025-11-16 16:37
I'd add the Scarlett Scarab and Wiccan to the team and Elisa Bloodstone and ditch the Punisher, he just doesn't fit the theme.
JANTlvr2025-11-16 16:37
Needs Agatha and Nico Minoru.
And it should be the Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider.
JANTlvr2025-11-16 16:38
For everyone saying Punisher doesn't belong here
NASCAR1420022025-11-16 16:39
Doctor Strange, Blade, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Black Knight, Scarlet Scarb, Elsa Bloodstone, Jennifer Kale, Man-Thing, Werewolf by Night
FerrusManlyManus2025-11-16 16:41
Punisher being there will never not be hilarious to me.
All these mystical people and a dude who is good with guns.
CaosThomas2025-11-16 16:45
Blade, Moon Knight, Doctor Strange, Ghost Rider and Iron Fists
AJerkForAllSeasons2025-11-16 16:46
I never understand why people want the Punisher on the team.
myowngalactus2025-11-16 16:50
Possibilities of potential mcu members based on who’s been introduced and is alive.
Agatha
Billy Kaplan
Clea
Blade
Wong
Elsa Bloodstone
Strange
Werewolf by night
Manthing
Jennifer Kale
Jimmy Woo & Darcy
Moonknight
Abomination
Longshots-
An eternal (Druig, Sersi, Makkari)
Howard the Duck
Mr Immortal
Zelma Stanton
Dane Whitman
Moonknight
Of those I’d pick Wong to be the leader, Elsa Bloodstone, Manthing, Werewolf by Night, Billy (& Agatha’s ghost), Abomination, and Blade. With Jimmy Woo & Darcy as outside investigators that cross paths with the team and ends up helping them out.
matrixboy1222025-11-16 17:01
Black Knight I would add instead of punisher
BackgroundEngineer112025-11-16 17:04
Punisher doesn't need to be there when Werewolf by Night, Man-Thing, and Elsa Bloodstone have already been introduced in the MCU.
ChaoticCaptain1772025-11-16 17:09
I'd add Elsa Bloodstone
teaabearr2025-11-16 17:10
Need some Black Knight in there
Illustrious-Long51542025-11-16 17:14
One of these is not like the others.
VeryLowIQIndividual2025-11-16 17:18
Ali is a wonderful actor. BUT I saw him in the latest Jurassic Park movie and that dude is not athletic at all. I don’t think you can hide him enough to make the transition shot to the stunt double.
No_Researcher98652025-11-16 17:20
If I was going to change something, I’d remove the punisher, and even though I know doctors strange was in the OG comic roster, I’d get Wong to form the team and brother Voodoo to be assigned as the representation for magic, as doctor strange feels too avenger level, add Elsa bloodstone, werewolf by night & manthing, and boom, you have your team 👍
atomcrafter2025-11-16 17:23
Elsa Bloodstone. Black Knight. Shang-Chi. Jackal-era Ben Reilly. Brother Voodoo. Alice Wu.
danohaggard2025-11-16 17:24
Ugh, I would love that. I didn't like what the MCU did as far as Moon Knight goes. I want him more street level vigilante.
Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-11-16 17:24
Keep Blade, Ghost Rider and Moon Knight as the main three. With Werewolf, Man-Thing, Elsa Bloodstone and Scarlet Scarab
Impossible-Forever912025-11-16 17:25
Remover Punisher (i think he needs his own show/seriers) and add Wanda.
I think the MCU needs a Midnight Suns movie, it maybe meeds a Wanda/Agatha show to help set it up
AdvertisingWaste86242025-11-16 17:31
Do we even know if Midnight sons will be a movie trilogy or Disney+ series? I think it’s more likely to be a Disney+ series as that’s how most of the potential members have been introduced (Moon Knight, Jack Russel, Man-Thing, Elsa Bloodstone, Agatha, and The Punisher.)
AxelXyfer2025-11-16 17:40
ADD JENNIFER KALE!
(There was a fan theory when she flew off at the end of Agatha she stumbles upon manthing and werewolf by night. This would be the perfect start to the team for MCU in my opinion!)
Jimmirehman2025-11-16 17:44
We need Snipes’ Blade
Mark-J-Ryan2025-11-16 17:48
Moon Knight
Blade
Ghost Rider
Werewolf by Night
Elsa Bloodstone
Punisher
Doctor Strange or Wong (if not Wanda)
Man-Thing
ThatIowanGuy2025-11-16 18:08
I mean this wholeheartedly: Star Lord should be a part of the Midnight Sons movie.
Dracula could be kidnapping people and harvesting their blood in Transylvania. I imagine Peter would go on vacation with his grandfather to somewhere like Paris. Peter is bored at the louvre while his grandfather enjoys the art (I like to imagine he’s wearing a t shirt that says “earth girls do it better” and cargo shorts, he shouldn’t wear any real hero garb in this movie). Vampires attack and kidnap his grandfather. Peter joins the sons despite them telling him he’s out of his depth.
Having Star Lord in this movie provides needed comic relief, a character who isn’t as informed on the mystical side of things would give perfect and understandable opportunity for exposition for the audience without the expositive dialogue feeling out of place, space tech vs vampires would go so fucking hard, Peter in vacation garb with a bandolier of wooden stakes and a bulb of garlic around his neck is a fantastic look, and mostly it would just be fun. “You know the last group I was a part of had a talking tree and raccoon so mummy man and dog boy aren’t too strange for me to work with” or something along those lines, know what I’m talking about?
Arsenio32025-11-16 18:12
My pitch would have Dracula or Lilith; inspired by Wakanda, Talokan and other super powered secret kingdoms; uses the Bloodstone to call all creatures of the night to their newly established vampire/monster haven. But instead of Vamprysk being based on Chernobyl like the comics-I’d place in the in the arctic circle.
Blade (daywalking vampire); Agatha Harkness (ghost/witch); Moon Knight (undead/mummy); Black Knight (cursed); Elsa Bloodstone (monster hunter) all hear the call. They band together to try to stop the vamps. Valkyrie joins the battle as New Asgard is Vamp Kingdom is too close for comfort. I’d include Man-Thing and Werewolf by Night as monsters who have fully fallen under the Bloodstone’s thrall and is part of the unholy horde (but will obviously end up helping in the end)
The arc would be something like embracing the monster within or something.
HearTheEkko2025-11-16 18:15
Remove Punisher and add Elsa Bloodstone, Werewolf by Night, Man-Thing, Black Knight and Jennifer Kale.
Colonelspanker19622025-11-16 18:31
Yeah, Man-Thing is essential.
Humble_Membership2102025-11-16 18:36
Werewolf by night
DomzSageon2025-11-16 18:47
speaking of Midnight Suns, I always had the idea (probably a hot take), that after Endgame, the MCU should have split up into"sub arcs" in the overarcing phases (if those even matter anymore.)
1. The Street Level/Earth-based grounded movie line
2. The Mystical movie line
3. The Cosmic Movie line
and each of them would have their own "team" that they build up to, ex: the Mystical movie line could culminate into a Midnight Sons movie, the Street level/Earth based could spring up The Young Avengers or Champions while also having the Thunderbolts and even the Defenders. and the cosmic could still have the Guardians of the Galaxy or even infinity watch or starjammers or whatever they could call the cosmic team up movie.
of course characters could appear in each of the sub arcs, but the sub arcs' plot are generally separated.
Something that was sorely missed in Phase 4 was a team-up movie. Phase 5 had one in the shape of Thunderbolts (honestly they could have had Phase 4 end with Thunderbolts considering all of the characters in it was introduced in Phase 3 or 4)
but imagine if that was what they did starting from the post endgame content, we'd have at least double the teams we currently have now. imagine having thunderbolts in phase 4 then in phase 5 in the place of thunder bolts, we'd have gotten a young avengers or champions movie just before doomsday.
that would give us: Sam's avengers, the New Avengers, The Fantastic Four, X-men, The Guardians of the Galaxy, The Young Avengers, as the teams coming into Doomsday.
part of the reason they're rushing Doomsday and Secret Wars next is because a team up has been sorely needed, and seeing how Thunderbolts was very much enjoyed by the fans (me included), team up movies like the avengers ones would bring in hype, and if we had a Young avengers movie I'd say Disney could have bought at least a year or two more to make more movies to set up the two Avengers movies.
Roadie662025-11-16 19:16
Needs more Bloodstone!
ZenOfThunder2025-11-16 19:26
No way this team exists with Elsa Bloodstone.
GypsyGold2025-11-16 19:36
I dig it. I might even toss Deadpool in there and just call him the MCU’s version of “The Living Zombie”
NightVision02025-11-16 19:40
Swap Punisher for Daredevil and you've got gold
Red_Panda_The_Great2025-11-16 19:40
Moon Knight probably not for a while
Oscar Isaac has indicated he is not currently open to working with Disney again due to recent political events, which makes a return as Moon Knight unlikely for now. While Marvel has stated the character will appear in other MCU projects, Isaac has said he will not participate unless conditions change.
Subject-Ad50712025-11-16 19:55
Anyone wonder what’s the point of bringing the mass shooter to a team like this lol.
SnarkMasterFlash2025-11-16 20:00
Us Hannibal King fans demand representation! (Ryan Reynolds' version doesn't count)
JorReno2025-11-16 20:10
that Blade don't even exist in the mcu. Snipes does though.
Snaptheuniverse2025-11-16 20:30
I would drop Punisher and add Shang-chi and Elsa Bloodstone
No-Jello-41542025-11-16 20:39
Replace punisher with Werewolf By Night and we got a deal
BladeBoy__2025-11-16 20:48
I’d like the idea that Strange is depowered for MS. Like he bends the rules of magic too much so his magic capabilities are weakened somehow. I loved how he interacted with the teams in IW and E, but he’s too powerful to be included I feel.
CauliflowerKind64142025-11-16 21:32
Genuine question why tf is Punisher a midnight son? He's probably the least mystical character there is
Kherlos2025-11-16 22:18
Dafuq punisher doing there?
Thomas_JCG2025-11-16 22:20
Why everyone puts Punisher with the Midnight Sons...
WinterCommercial25332025-11-16 22:22
Too bad it'll never happen.
brycifer6662025-11-16 22:25
PUNISHER IS NOT A SON
jddoherty19762025-11-16 23:14
Frank is in the wrong team here. He’s no supernatural fighter.
kyle03052025-11-16 23:46
Punisher should be nowhere near the team. I never understood the appeal of him being a Midnight Son. He’s got nothing to do with supernatural.
Midnight Sons should be Blade, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, Werewolf-by-Night, Elsa Bloodstone and Brother Voodoo, and Jennifer Kale
FoggyInc2025-11-17 01:50
MAGIK INVITES YOU TO LIMBO SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORD WITH YOU
UnfavorableSpiderFan2025-11-17 02:41
Gotta swap The Punisher out with, like, Elsa Bloodstone. Bro is waaaaay out of his league here.
Afraid-Housing-68542025-11-17 05:15
Punisher doesn’t really fit with the others
Gilded-Mongoose2025-11-17 05:45
I thought you were asking what ours would be and I was getting ready to say "this."
superkick2252025-11-17 06:15
Get Punisher outta here and add Werewolf By Night, Man-Thing, Elsa Bloodstone, and Kit Harrington’s Black Knight
Relative-Yam-83702025-11-17 06:21
Get my guy spawn in there
jhorsley232025-11-17 06:42
Why do people always include Punisher in their Midnight Sons fan rosters? The Punisher has never been a member of the Midnight Sons and doesn’t fit the team at all.
Commentaires
Like, morbius, dr strange, blade, ghost rider, and moon knight are the main members.
- Doctor Strange
- Blade
- Black Knight
- Moon Knight
- Werewolf By Night
- Man Thing
- Elsa Bloodstone
- Jennifer Kale
- Agatha Harkness
- Ghost Rider (Not seen yet, but if mephisto is the big bad only makes sense)
Smallwood's workup and Rod Reis' Damnation are beautiful renderings of that team that do both tinker with the lineup.
Like think about it, team of supernatural and magic users, oh and that guy who likes guns and combat knifes. 🤷♀️
black widow... well...
And it should be the Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider.
All these mystical people and a dude who is good with guns.
Agatha
Billy Kaplan
Clea
Blade
Wong
Elsa Bloodstone
Strange
Werewolf by night
Manthing
Jennifer Kale
Jimmy Woo & Darcy
Moonknight
Abomination
Longshots-
An eternal (Druig, Sersi, Makkari)
Howard the Duck
Mr Immortal
Zelma Stanton
Dane Whitman
Moonknight
Of those I’d pick Wong to be the leader, Elsa Bloodstone, Manthing, Werewolf by Night, Billy (& Agatha’s ghost), Abomination, and Blade. With Jimmy Woo & Darcy as outside investigators that cross paths with the team and ends up helping them out.
I think the MCU needs a Midnight Suns movie, it maybe meeds a Wanda/Agatha show to help set it up
(There was a fan theory when she flew off at the end of Agatha she stumbles upon manthing and werewolf by night. This would be the perfect start to the team for MCU in my opinion!)
Blade
Ghost Rider
Werewolf by Night
Elsa Bloodstone
Punisher
Doctor Strange or Wong (if not Wanda)
Man-Thing
Dracula could be kidnapping people and harvesting their blood in Transylvania. I imagine Peter would go on vacation with his grandfather to somewhere like Paris. Peter is bored at the louvre while his grandfather enjoys the art (I like to imagine he’s wearing a t shirt that says “earth girls do it better” and cargo shorts, he shouldn’t wear any real hero garb in this movie). Vampires attack and kidnap his grandfather. Peter joins the sons despite them telling him he’s out of his depth.
Having Star Lord in this movie provides needed comic relief, a character who isn’t as informed on the mystical side of things would give perfect and understandable opportunity for exposition for the audience without the expositive dialogue feeling out of place, space tech vs vampires would go so fucking hard, Peter in vacation garb with a bandolier of wooden stakes and a bulb of garlic around his neck is a fantastic look, and mostly it would just be fun. “You know the last group I was a part of had a talking tree and raccoon so mummy man and dog boy aren’t too strange for me to work with” or something along those lines, know what I’m talking about?
Blade (daywalking vampire); Agatha Harkness (ghost/witch); Moon Knight (undead/mummy); Black Knight (cursed); Elsa Bloodstone (monster hunter) all hear the call. They band together to try to stop the vamps. Valkyrie joins the battle as New Asgard is Vamp Kingdom is too close for comfort. I’d include Man-Thing and Werewolf by Night as monsters who have fully fallen under the Bloodstone’s thrall and is part of the unholy horde (but will obviously end up helping in the end)
The arc would be something like embracing the monster within or something.
1. The Street Level/Earth-based grounded movie line
2. The Mystical movie line
3. The Cosmic Movie line
and each of them would have their own "team" that they build up to, ex: the Mystical movie line could culminate into a Midnight Sons movie, the Street level/Earth based could spring up The Young Avengers or Champions while also having the Thunderbolts and even the Defenders. and the cosmic could still have the Guardians of the Galaxy or even infinity watch or starjammers or whatever they could call the cosmic team up movie.
of course characters could appear in each of the sub arcs, but the sub arcs' plot are generally separated.
Something that was sorely missed in Phase 4 was a team-up movie. Phase 5 had one in the shape of Thunderbolts (honestly they could have had Phase 4 end with Thunderbolts considering all of the characters in it was introduced in Phase 3 or 4)
but imagine if that was what they did starting from the post endgame content, we'd have at least double the teams we currently have now. imagine having thunderbolts in phase 4 then in phase 5 in the place of thunder bolts, we'd have gotten a young avengers or champions movie just before doomsday.
that would give us: Sam's avengers, the New Avengers, The Fantastic Four, X-men, The Guardians of the Galaxy, The Young Avengers, as the teams coming into Doomsday.
part of the reason they're rushing Doomsday and Secret Wars next is because a team up has been sorely needed, and seeing how Thunderbolts was very much enjoyed by the fans (me included), team up movies like the avengers ones would bring in hype, and if we had a Young avengers movie I'd say Disney could have bought at least a year or two more to make more movies to set up the two Avengers movies.
Oscar Isaac has indicated he is not currently open to working with Disney again due to recent political events, which makes a return as Moon Knight unlikely for now. While Marvel has stated the character will appear in other MCU projects, Isaac has said he will not participate unless conditions change.
Midnight Sons should be Blade, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, Werewolf-by-Night, Elsa Bloodstone and Brother Voodoo, and Jennifer Kale